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Giving Orders and Instructions II: Italian grammar lesson 124

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Can you please help me with the following. Does

scordatela = scorda (2nd person singular informal) - te - la

or

scordatela = scordate (2nd person plural) - la?

If it = 2nd person plural, should it not be 

scordate-ve-la?

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Ciao @morton-lim!

Scordatela is formed by the verb scordare, the person tu (you singular) that becomes te, and the pronoun la (her). 

And you're right:  Scordatevela is used for the second person plural (voi). 

 

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So does " guardatelo"  = "guarda-te-lo" (2nd person singular informal) or "guardate-lo" (2nd per plurale)?

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Ciao @morton-lim!

I noticed there are still doubts regarding "Guardatelo = 2nd person (voi) but scordatelo = scorda-te-lo (2nd person informal single)!" so I will try to explain it better. 

According to grammar rules, Guardalo = second person singular and Guardatelo = second person plural. But in everyday conversations, you can find Guardatelo used for second person singular and Guardatevelo as second person plural. 

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Hi Julieta

 

Thank you for trying. Afraid I am still confused. My problem is this. if grammar rules state that guardatelo = 2nd person plural, then surely scordatelo also = 2nd person plural (but you have told me that this is not the case)! My confusion revolves round the following : why does guardatelo= 2nd person plural (guardate-lo) but scordatelo = 2nd person singular (scorda-te-lo)?

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Ciao @morton-lim!

With the verb scordare the same rules apply. Scordalo = second person singular and Scordatelo = second person plural. But in every day and colloquial language, you can find Scordatelo used with second person singular and Scordatevelo with second person plural. That's why I gave you that answer. You always need to pay attention to the context and find who the subject in the sentence is. 

 

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@julieta 

È un po difficile per i poveri stranieri - no? Fondamentalmente mi stai dicendo che scordatelo e guardatelo possono essere sia 2nd persone singolare che 2nd persone plurale!


   
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Ciao @morton-lim!

Si, alcune regole grammaticali sono difficili perché non sempre sono uguali e seguono un unico modello. Di solito in alcuni casi ci sono più strappi alle regole che regole compiute. 

Nel caso del tuo dubbio la chiave è guardare chi è il soggetto che compie l'azione. E anche avere in testa se è una conversazione colloquiale o formale. 

 

Fammi sapere se hai bisogno di esercizi in più o altri esempi pratici.

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